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05-25-2012, 08:04 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-25-2012, 08:04 PM {2} by StrathyStaggie.)
Celtic didn't declare an EBT to the SFA (regarding Juninho I think?). They eventually paid the tax on it.
Still "cheating" mind you.
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BTW, Celtic are as bad as Rangers. Case closed. No need for further discussion.
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Had heard that one about Juninho as well. Let's be honest, he wasn't exactly an integral part of the Celtic side for a number of seasons the way the likes of Stefan Klos, Arthur Numan, Barry Ferguson, Miladin Prso, Fernando Ricksen etc were at Rangers
As already stated, EBTs can be legal, but the way Rangers administered theirs rendered it illegal, and also in breach of SFA and UEFA registration rules.
It's cheating, pure and simple. Some of the cases are so striking, you have to wonder why it took so long for the authorities to investigate. For instance, the case of Jean-Alain Boumsong, who received £630 000 from his in half a season at Ibrox before his in-no-way-at-all-suspicious transfer to Graeme Souness' Newcastle for £8 million- that works out at roughly £25 000 per week. Rather than a top-up to his normal, tax and NI deductible salary, this looks like it WAS his salary!
Kevin Muscat is another one- £1 million for 1 season's card-happy work
The talk of going to the Court of Session to try and get their transfer ban overturned is ludicrously fanciful- if they don't come to an agreement with creditors within the next few weeks, then Rangers FC won't be signing anyone, because there won't be a Rangers FC
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cut them loose and let them drift away. absolutely bored rigid about them and how the rest of us cant live without them.
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If all Scottish clubs banned from Europe and national side kicked out of the World Cup qualifiers it is thanks to the incompetance of the SFA in sorting out the Rangers problem. The SFA just think they can make the rules up as they go along causing more problems.
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Actually, it is actually due to the incompetence of Rangers and Duff & Phelps, as Rangers shoudl have taken their case to the Curt of Arbitration for Sport not the UK Supreme Court as it was a matter for Fifa etc to rule on not the law courts. But then again, could this have been the ploy of Rangers and their administrators in the 1st place cos should the SFA take the ultimate sanction and throw Rangers out entirely then they will cry foul and claim that they have been victimised (what a joke!!!! - they brought the scottish game into disrepute and now feel like they should get off scot free which is wrong.).
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green hasn't got the money or the backing.no one in this current climate is going to buy a season ticket when there might not be a club there next month.in the words of cpl Fraser there Doomed
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Rangers, and Celtic, didnt care a jot about Scottish Football when they talked about leaving to go to the EPL or to start up in some sort of Atlantic League, so for them to get on their high horse now and claim that Scottish Football needs them stinks of hypocrisy and double standards. If they had cared a jot about the scottish game they would not have wanted to try to move so badly
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the spl and most of its members only care about the money.the tax dodgers are not the only team that is skint which proves this league is not making money but they all budget for the visit of the OF and dont give a monkeys about their own fans.when they do come up here to play hundreds of their support will be comming from Inverness and Ross shire even some of the people who turned up for the day to watch County at Hampden.
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I think Celtic did an EBT for the wee brazillian they got from Middlesbrough so I think Celtic fans should be careful what they wish for !!
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The way Rangers were using them was not illegal at the time. It is illegal now if HMRC can prove with all probability that the EBT's were getting used as a form of salary payment.
Celtic did not declare the EBT and double payment to the SFA straight away. They did it retrospectively. It certainly wasn't in the same magnitude as Rangers cheating, but once the SPL decide on the double contract scenario, it wouldn't surprise me to see Celtic forfeit any game that he was involved in likewise Rangers forfeiting every game they used a double contract player.
Much like in the Scottish Cup if you field an illegible player you now forfeit that game.
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Yes and if HMRC can prove in all probability the EBT was used as part of a salary, they can then bill Rangers for all NI and Income tax that would have been deducted from that salaries. The Big Tax Case is HMRC trying to prove that these were salary payments, and if so they want to receive the tax and NI contributions due and to add penalties and interest. Rangers are disputing everything. If Rangers can prove that these were not salary payments, they will only be due the money from the small tax case. The small tax case Rangers are not disputing the money owed, they are disputing only the penalties and interest due. I think you're getting confused between the two cases.
If the SFA find evidence that they were double contracts issued, all parties that have issued them will be punished. By all accounts there is already enough evidence to show Christain Nerlinger was in receipt of a double contract. In all honesty I can't see Rangers winning the Big Tax Case, and I can see the SFA excessively punishing them for double contracts.
But if they do so, they will have to punish all sides that have issued double contracts. That includes Celtic for Juninho. However as Celtic did not win the league that year losing points for every league game that year isn't going to matter, as Rangers will lose every game that year. You may get your Scottish Cup win stripped that season however.
Rangers could be stripped of everything they have won since the first EBT was used in 1999.
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Tbh, it's all getting very boring. Just kill them off and be done with it.
Can't help thinking though that somehow they will get off with it. Start up as Rangers United, or whatever, in the SPL and Doncaster will be delighted cos Sky have decided to renew.
What we need is for Scottish football to be reborn. I obviously don't have the answers but something needs to be done. If the newco is allowed back in with minimal punishment the game is up.
