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Coyle Out
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I'm a regular reader of the forum, however, I felt the need to sign up to air my views on the situation at the moment. 

Owen Coyle has had several months to implement his ideas to the team, and, if anything, we've got worse. The same old crazy decisions we saw under Jim being repeated but in even bigger fashion. Chopping and changing the goalie, the defence a mess, no organisation in midfield and a completely useless way of using what is a talented set of strikers. If it's Billy Mckay up front, we play the long ball. If it's Thomas Mickelson, we play it to feet. Even I can tell you this is wrong.

I'm all for giving managers time but the regression since Coyle came in is alarming and if he doesn't go then we'll be heading down to join our long lost neighbours. People saying wait to January are wrong. He's ruined clubs like Blackburn and Bolton with terrible signings and he will do the same to us if we're not careful. We all know we have a talented group of players that don't need releasing. The only thing we need releasing is our manager.

StaggiesAwayFromHome
 
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#2
82 days in to the job and we have a thread calling for the manager's head. Is this a record?

 
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#3
Give me the window at least, yeesh. Not his fault he's got one centre half.
Quote:God bless the Stag Men and Children.
 
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#5
Well, this is a rancid thread....
 
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(12-19-2017, 02:08 PM)Forfinn Wrote: 82 days in to the job and we have a thread calling for the manager's head.  Is this a record?

Is this a record worst run from a new manager (McStay apart) ever?
 
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(12-19-2017, 03:32 PM)StaggiesAwayFromHome Wrote: Is this a record worst run from a new manager (McStay apart) from a newly appointed manager?

No. 

And with the squad of a man who was sacked (largely) for having put together a poor squad.

This is really poor stuff like...
 
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(12-19-2017, 03:32 PM)StaggiesAwayFromHome Wrote: Is this a record worst run from a new manager (McStay apart) ever?

Are you not going to put any effort in to this at all?

Coyle has been in charge of 12 games so far.  We've won 3, drawn 3 and lost 6.  In comparison, McIntyre won only 2 of his first 12 games, drawing 2, and losing 8.

So yeah, it's the worst run from a new manager... since the last one.

Incidentally, McIntyre didn't get his 3rd win on the board until 14 February - 23 games in to his reign.

 
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(12-19-2017, 03:53 PM)Forfinn Wrote: Are you not going to put any effort in to this at all?

Coyle has been in charge of 12 games so far.  We've won 3, drawn 3 and lost 6.  In comparison, McIntyre won only 2 of his first 12 games, drawing 2, and losing 8.

So yeah, it's the worst run from a new manager... since the last one.

Incidentally, McIntyre didn't get his 3rd win on the board until 14 February - 23 games in to his reign.

Comparing Coyle to a manager that got sacked...that's great. I can see the club going on leaps and bounds if we're happy to accept a little bit better than a manager who recently got sacked. If you want to compare, then try top 6 and a cup win. 

It's not just the results. It's the crazy tactics. You and I both know Billy Mckay is not a target man striker, so why do we play long balls to him? You and I both know that Jamie Lindsay is not up to it, yet he's the first name on the team sheet. You and I both know that Fox is best keeper we have, yet it gets chopped and changed whenever he fancies it. 

Add to that the embarrassing interviews. Not a week goes by where it's not the officials fault in some way - he's beginning to sound like a representative for two other certain clubs. You don't get unlucky every week and it's not the officials fault we're in the Play Off going into Christmas.
 
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(12-19-2017, 04:22 PM)StaggiesAwayFromHome Wrote: Comparing Coyle to a manager that got sacked...that's great. I can see the club going on leaps and bounds if we're happy to accept a little bit better than a manager who recently got sacked. If you want to compare, then try top 6 and a cup win. 

Sorry, what?

 
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"Chopping and changing the goalie,"
Fox has been injured since St J in Oct, as widely reported, only working his way back to fitness recently, and was in the team otherwise.

"the defence a mess,"
Davies and Naismith are good, and Fraser is decent alongside Davies.
But really we have one specialist centreback and two "ok" left backs.  Thats Jim's fault not Owen's.  

"no organisation in midfield"
We have no pace, only one creative midfielder (JOB) and until Eagles arrived one senior winger (Gardyne, with DKD breaking into the team). Thats Jim's fault not Owen's.

"a completely useless way of using what is a talented set of strikers. "
We dont have the wingers or creative midfielders to provide them with the ball.  Thats Jim's fault not Owen's.
Although Eagles has been brought into help.  See above.

"If it's Billy Mckay up front, we play the long ball. If it's Thomas Mickelson, we play it to feet."
Thats just nonsense.

"I'm all for giving managers time"
Clearly not.

"the regression since Coyle came in is alarming"
We are not worse than under McIntyre.

"if he doesn't go then we'll be heading down"
The main issue is the imbalanced squad that he has inherited, in January he can get his own squad - we can judge him once his own squad has settled.

"He's ruined clubs like Blackburn and Bolton with terrible signings"
I think the boards of those respective clubs had slightly more to do with their being ruined.


Thats just the issues with your first post.
 
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(12-19-2017, 01:28 PM)StaggiesAwayFromHome Wrote: I'm a regular reader of the forum, however, I felt the need to sign up to air my views on the situation at the moment. 

Owen Coyle has had several months to implement his ideas to the team, and, if anything, we've got worse. The same old crazy decisions we saw under Jim being repeated but in even bigger fashion. Chopping and changing the goalie, the defence a mess, no organisation in midfield and a completely useless way of using what is a talented set of strikers. If it's Billy Mckay up front, we play the long ball. If it's Thomas Mickelson, we play it to feet. Even I can tell you this is wrong.

I'm all for giving managers time but the regression since Coyle came in is alarming and if he doesn't go then we'll be heading down to join our long lost neighbours. People saying wait to January are wrong. He's ruined clubs like Blackburn and Bolton with terrible signings and he will do the same to us if we're not careful. We all know we have a talented group of players that don't need releasing. The only thing we need releasing is our manager.

StaggiesAwayFromHome

So much for the season of goodwill then!!?.............give the man a chance.
 
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(12-19-2017, 04:35 PM)staggie1746 Wrote: "Chopping and changing the goalie,"
Fox has been injured since St J in Oct, as widely reported, only working his way back to fitness recently, and was in the team otherwise.

"the defence a mess,"
Davies and Naismith are good, and Fraser is decent alongside Davies.
But really we have one specialist centreback and two "ok" left backs.  Thats Jim's fault not Owen's.  

"no organisation in midfield"
We have no pace, only one creative midfielder (JOB) and until Eagles arrived one senior winger (Gardyne, with DKD breaking into the team). Thats Jim's fault not Owen's.

"a completely useless way of using what is a talented set of strikers. "
We dont have the wingers or creative midfielders to provide them with the ball.  Thats Jim's fault not Owen's.
Although Eagles has been brought into help.  See above.

"If it's Billy Mckay up front, we play the long ball. If it's Thomas Mickelson, we play it to feet."
Thats just nonsense.

"I'm all for giving managers time"
Clearly not.

"the regression since Coyle came in is alarming"
We are not worse than under McIntyre.

"if he doesn't go then we'll be heading down"
The main issue is the imbalanced squad that he has inherited, in January he can get his own squad - we can judge him once his own squad has settled.

"He's ruined clubs like Blackburn and Bolton with terrible signings"
I think the boards of those respective clubs had slightly more to do with their being ruined.


Thats just the issues with your first post.

Fox was on the bench for weeks. If he's not fit enough to be starting, then what's the point in him being on the bench?

Yes, we have good defenders. However, they're not playing very well. Who's fault is that? Coyle has been unable to organise a defence that contain some very good defenders in 3 months. We're shipping goals for fun against the likes of Killie, Hamilton and Dundee - there's something not right there and as you mentioned, we have some very good defenders. 

Fair point regarding pace in midfield, however, Coyle has only added to that by signing Eagles and sticking him on the wing over DKD. DKD single handedly has won us games this season, I can't think of one good reason why he has been on the bench recently..care to enlighten? 

We don't have players to create for them? What a load of rubbish. Virtually the exact same team that contained the league's top scorer last season. We're just not creating the chances for them. 

It's true regarding Billy Mckay. He is a penalty box striker, and we do not play that kind of football. What was the point in 1) Signing him if we are going to play like that (I know that's not OC's fault) 2) playing him. He had success at ICT by getting on the end of crosses from the likes of Doran and Watkins, not punts up the pitch from Davies.

I will give any manager a chance to an extent, however, I don't expect things to be worse 3 months into a job than they were when the previous occupant got sacked. What position were we in when JM got sacked? Certainly higher than 11th. 

We are worse than under McIntyre. A couple of good halves of football aside, we've been dreadful and the defence is comical. 

That time of year where we rely on being bailed out in January, is it? The fact is it's very hard to 1) sign good players in Jan and 2) for them to settle in such a short time to have the desired effect. So I wouldn't be relying on that one. 

It's no coincidence that every team Coyle leaves, he does so in a bad state. Much like Yogi Hughes.
 
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#14
May well be some very successful trolling going on here - If so a lot of (very detailed bites!)
 
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(12-19-2017, 05:21 PM)Strathglass Wrote: May well be some very successful trolling going on here - If so a lot of (very detailed bites!)

Aye, its like the lads from yesterday have spent the night swotting up ready to ramp up the levels.
Difficult to marry how someone can be talking such nonsense but have so many details.
 
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(12-19-2017, 05:32 PM)staggie1746 Wrote: Aye, its like the lads from yesterday have spent the night swotting up ready to ramp up the levels.
Difficult to marry how someone can be talking such nonsense but have so many details.

It's how I feel, sorry. At the end of the day, we all just want to see County doing well. I don't think Coyle is the man to do that and think we should act now before it's too late. I've been to every game bar one this season and I can see what's happening in front of me.

I'm sorry you view this as trolling - I'm just speaking my mind.
 
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#17
Tis the season to be trolling.....fa la la la la etc..
Highland Cooncil FC have been saved from the abyss so now they come on here to try to stir things up!!
 
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(12-19-2017, 05:57 PM)dawyckstag Wrote: Tis the season to be trolling.....fa la la la la etc..
Highland Cooncil FC have been saved from the abyss so now they come on here to try to stir things up!!

I am not an ICT fan. I am a County fan who doesn't think OC is doing a great job and felt it was time to air my views.
 
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(12-19-2017, 05:08 PM)StaggiesAwayFromHome Wrote: Fox was on the bench for weeks. If he's not fit enough to be starting, then what's the point in him being on the bench?
- His presence in the squad? A half-fit Fox being better than a fully fit 3rd choice keeper?  He may have been fit enough for half an hour in an emergency but not a full game?

Yes, we have good defenders. However, they're not playing very well. Who's fault is that? Coyle has been unable to organise a defence that contain some very good defenders in 3 months. We're shipping goals for fun against the likes of Killie, Hamilton and Dundee - there's something not right there and as you mentioned, we have some very good defenders. 
- Our defence was at least as bad last season , we regularly conceded at least 2 goals a game - Jim's fault. 
I cant stress enough that we only have one centreback, anyone else playing in the centre is out of position, and neither of our leftbacks are solid first team material - Jim's fault.  


Fair point regarding pace in midfield, however, Coyle has only added to that by signing Eagles and sticking him on the wing over DKD. DKD single handedly has won us games this season, I can't think of one good reason why he has been on the bench recently..care to enlighten? 
- I imagine Coyle thinks Eagles is a better player to start games with, and probably looks at DKD as a better option off the bench.  
DKD has not single-handedly won us games, he has had some good performances though. 
Worth noting DKD has cost us goals, but I wouldnt say he has single-handedly lost us games.
Understandable that Coyle would trust Eagles (who has he worked with before, at a much higher level) to start games more than DKD who is in his first season at this level.  At least DKD is still getting gametime, he just needs to show hes better than Gardyne or Eagles when he does, good opportunity coming up with Gardyne's suspension.


We don't have players to create for them? What a load of rubbish. Virtually the exact same team that contained the league's top scorer last season. We're just not creating the chances for them. 
- We had to play Boyce in centre-mid last season for months because of the dearth of creativity in there, Jim 'solved' that this season by falling out with Woods and bringing in Lindsay, a less creative midfielder. 
How did Schalk and Curran do last season with that midfield? About as well as this season?  Rhetorical question.

 
It's true regarding Billy Mckay. He is a penalty box striker, and we do not play that kind of football. What was the point in 1) Signing him if we are going to play like that (I know that's not OC's fault) 2) playing him. He had success at ICT by getting on the end of crosses from the likes of Doran and Watkins, not punts up the pitch from Davies.
- We do not only play the long ball to McKay, and only play on the deck for Mickelsen as you accused. 
They all suffer from a weak imbalanced midfield. 
If it wasnt for Naismith at RB theyd be even more starved of service.


I will give any manager a chance to an extent, however, I don't expect things to be worse 3 months into a job than they were when the previous occupant got sacked. What position were we in when JM got sacked? Certainly higher than 11th. 
We are worse than under McIntyre. A couple of good halves of football aside, we've been dreadful and the defence is comical. 
- You have very rose-tinted selective memories of the last year or two under McIntyre, and a huge disregard for the issues with the squad that Jim left.

That time of year where we rely on being bailed out in January, is it? The fact is it's very hard to 1) sign good players in Jan and 2) for them to settle in such a short time to have the desired effect. So I wouldn't be relying on that one. 
- Aye, which is why its so frustrating that Jim spent the summer putting together such a hopelessly imbalanced squad. 

It's no coincidence that every team Coyle leaves, he does so in a bad state. Much like Yogi Hughes.
- Thats just lazy and gives no regard to the success at Falkirk, St J, and Burnley, or regard to the circumstances at Bolton, Blackburn, and Wigan.

(12-19-2017, 05:44 PM)StaggiesAwayFromHome Wrote: It's how I feel, sorry. At the end of the day, we all just want to see County doing well. I don't think Coyle is the man to do that and think we should act now before it's too late. I've been to every game bar one this season and I can see what's happening in front of me.

I'm sorry you view this as trolling - I'm just speaking my mind.

The trolling part was 'tongue in cheek' as there was a wee squad of them on here yesterday to wind up one of their (County-supporting) mates.
 
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Jim ....is that you ?
 
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